[UGAF] Top dog request.

[Dustin Davis]

I can't say for sure that I will help. Things are pretty hectic with work
and I'm in the middle of a move. We are moving down to Utah county. Maybe if
you have suggestions I can record a tutorial on my own. I do plan on
purchasing Camtasia soon.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:18 AM, David McGuigan <davidmcguigan at gmail.com>wrote:

> The overall purpose is for developers from each language and NEW developers
> (like college kids that are trying to decide what to pick up) to be able to
> quickly, visually get a taste of each product in a way that's not very time
> consuming like reading over documentation or potentially-biased or
> near-sighted forums and that's more entertaining and engaging. To dispel
> some myths, to hopefully expose some comparative strengths and weaknesses
> for simple application development of each language when compared to its
> competitors, and to just be a fun experiment.
>
> It's not malicious or necessarily competitive at all.
>
> I'm guessing that ColdFusion will come across as faster / bettter / easier
> to develop with just because that's what I use on a daily basis and it's
> impossible for me to even imagine that anything could be more efficient or
> powerful than what I use, I'm sure you know the feeling.
>
> Thanks for your reply. In the next few weeks I'll be drafting up some ideas
> on exactly what we should demo and sending them around to the other
> interestetd developers to make sure that they're mutually acceptable tasks
> that don't lend an advantage or disadvantage to any one product.
>
> Thanks for the reply!
> Can I go ahead and count you in then?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:38 AM, Dustin Davis <dustin at davisvillage.com
> >wrote:
>
> > So, what is the overall purpose - to try to show that Coldfusion is
> > faster/better than other languages? I've got about 8 years experience
> with
> > PHP, so I may be able to help. I've also been coding a lot of
> Python/Django
> > lately. I don't know if I would consider myself expert in that area yet,
> > but
> > I could probably demonstrate each of the areas you mentioned.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:10 AM, David McGuigan <davidmcguigan at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hey guys,
> > > Tonight was my first UPHPU meeting. Great presentations, thanks for
> > having
> > > me.
> > >
> > > My name's David McGuigan, and I'm a full time Web developer about a
> year
> > > and
> > > change out of school and have been toying around with a pretty
> > interesting
> > > idea.
> > >
> > > I've got kind of a random, fun request for the group. It's a chance to
> > > really show off PHP and possibly recruit some new developers to it. If
> > > anyone would be interested, I'm in need of an intermediate or expert,
> > > recognizably-efficient PHP developer with a little bit of charisma able
> > to
> > > get to Salt Lake once or twice (I'll gladly pay for gas and lunch) to
> sit
> > > in
> > > with me (I'll be doing this with a few other developers from other
> > > languages
> > > too) and record some really short, light, PHP tutorials with screen and
> > > audio capturing software that I'll be purchasing specifically for this
> > > purpose (just screen, no web cam). Well, more like PHP demonstrations
> > than
> > > tutorials really.
> > >
> > > Here are some examples of videos we might record:
> > > 1. Installing PHP
> > > 2. Connecting to a MySQL database and making some simple queries
> > > 3. Displaying the results with an HTML/CSS front end
> > > 4. Creating a simple listing, editing and updating form page to manage
> a
> > > table's data
> > > 5. Some simple AJAX techniques with PHP backends
> > > 6. Sending an email with PHP
> > >
> > > Nothing too major, and the demos are totally flexible. This won't take
> > more
> > > than a few hours (depending on how long it takes to do any of the stuff
> > in
> > > PHP )
> > >
> > > Long story short, I'm looking to get a single developer from each of
> the
> > > main server side products (PHP, Ruby, "Microsoft", Java, and
> ColdFusion,
> > > etc.) to record these demos to show how to do the exact same Web app
> type
> > > things in each language.
> > >
> > > The reason I'm looking for a more-experienced/efficient developer is so
> > > when
> > > we're putting these videos together people from the represented
> > discipline
> > > won't feel like the language itself was misrepresented by a
> particularly
> > > slow or inexperienced programmer.
> > >
> > > For example I've got 4 years ColdFusion experience, so I write
> ColdFusion
> > > about 15x faster than maybe someone who's been at it for 6 months. I'm
> > not
> > > really concerned with how much time you've been writing PHP so much as
> > just
> > > getting someone visibly good. Someone that other PHP developers would
> see
> > > in
> > > these videos and go, "Yeah, that's about right" or "Nice! That guy's
> > fast!"
> > >
> > > If anyone can help out on this or knows a PHP-er that'd be into it let
> me
> > > know. If you have particular frameworks ( MVC, ORM, what have you )
> that
> > > you
> > > use in your development we can definitely explore including them in the
> > > demos if it'll speed up your coding and make the PHP demos faster and
> > more
> > > impressive. I really want PHP to look good here, no ulterior motives.
> > >
> > > What I'm really worried about is recording these videos and having
> > > ColdFusion look so much better than the other languages that it seems
> > > staged
> > > or exaggerated, so it's probably be a good idea for the person to use
> > > what's
> > > generally accepted as the best PHP IDE available (we'll have a computer
> > set
> > > up ready for all of this stuff that you can install anything to, even a
> > > trial) and any PHP-specific best practices in the code they write.
> > >
> > > Anyone who's interested please write back. Thanks!
> > >
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