[UGAF] Top dog request.

Mark Morgan Mark at iGlobalGreetings.com
Wed Nov 26 09:35:19 MST 2008 

David,

Have you ever used Zoop?

http://zoopframework.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoop_Framework

With your 8 years experience with PHP, you seem qualified to comment  
on Zoop even if you have no experience with it yet.

Where are you moving to in Utah county? I'm in Springville.
Were you at the PHP lunch at Sumo's in SLC a few weeks ago?

Mark


On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Dustin Davis wrote:

> I can't say for sure that I will help. Things are pretty hectic with  
> work
> and I'm in the middle of a move. We are moving down to Utah county.  
> Maybe if
> you have suggestions I can record a tutorial on my own. I do plan on
> purchasing Camtasia soon.
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:18 AM, David McGuigan <davidmcguigan at gmail.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> The overall purpose is for developers from each language and NEW  
>> developers
>> (like college kids that are trying to decide what to pick up) to be  
>> able to
>> quickly, visually get a taste of each product in a way that's not  
>> very time
>> consuming like reading over documentation or potentially-biased or
>> near-sighted forums and that's more entertaining and engaging. To  
>> dispel
>> some myths, to hopefully expose some comparative strengths and  
>> weaknesses
>> for simple application development of each language when compared  
>> to its
>> competitors, and to just be a fun experiment.
>>
>> It's not malicious or necessarily competitive at all.
>>
>> I'm guessing that ColdFusion will come across as faster / bettter /  
>> easier
>> to develop with just because that's what I use on a daily basis and  
>> it's
>> impossible for me to even imagine that anything could be more  
>> efficient or
>> powerful than what I use, I'm sure you know the feeling.
>>
>> Thanks for your reply. In the next few weeks I'll be drafting up  
>> some ideas
>> on exactly what we should demo and sending them around to the other
>> interestetd developers to make sure that they're mutually  
>> acceptable tasks
>> that don't lend an advantage or disadvantage to any one product.
>>
>> Thanks for the reply!
>> Can I go ahead and count you in then?
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:38 AM, Dustin Davis  
>> <dustin at davisvillage.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, what is the overall purpose - to try to show that Coldfusion is
>>> faster/better than other languages? I've got about 8 years  
>>> experience
>> with
>>> PHP, so I may be able to help. I've also been coding a lot of
>> Python/Django
>>> lately. I don't know if I would consider myself expert in that  
>>> area yet,
>>> but
>>> I could probably demonstrate each of the areas you mentioned.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:10 AM, David McGuigan <davidmcguigan at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> Tonight was my first UPHPU meeting. Great presentations, thanks for
>>> having
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> My name's David McGuigan, and I'm a full time Web developer about a
>> year
>>>> and
>>>> change out of school and have been toying around with a pretty
>>> interesting
>>>> idea.
>>>>
>>>> I've got kind of a random, fun request for the group. It's a  
>>>> chance to
>>>> really show off PHP and possibly recruit some new developers to  
>>>> it. If
>>>> anyone would be interested, I'm in need of an intermediate or  
>>>> expert,
>>>> recognizably-efficient PHP developer with a little bit of  
>>>> charisma able
>>> to
>>>> get to Salt Lake once or twice (I'll gladly pay for gas and  
>>>> lunch) to
>> sit
>>>> in
>>>> with me (I'll be doing this with a few other developers from other
>>>> languages
>>>> too) and record some really short, light, PHP tutorials with  
>>>> screen and
>>>> audio capturing software that I'll be purchasing specifically for  
>>>> this
>>>> purpose (just screen, no web cam). Well, more like PHP  
>>>> demonstrations
>>> than
>>>> tutorials really.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some examples of videos we might record:
>>>> 1. Installing PHP
>>>> 2. Connecting to a MySQL database and making some simple queries
>>>> 3. Displaying the results with an HTML/CSS front end
>>>> 4. Creating a simple listing, editing and updating form page to  
>>>> manage
>> a
>>>> table's data
>>>> 5. Some simple AJAX techniques with PHP backends
>>>> 6. Sending an email with PHP
>>>>
>>>> Nothing too major, and the demos are totally flexible. This won't  
>>>> take
>>> more
>>>> than a few hours (depending on how long it takes to do any of the  
>>>> stuff
>>> in
>>>> PHP )
>>>>
>>>> Long story short, I'm looking to get a single developer from each  
>>>> of
>> the
>>>> main server side products (PHP, Ruby, "Microsoft", Java, and
>> ColdFusion,
>>>> etc.) to record these demos to show how to do the exact same Web  
>>>> app
>> type
>>>> things in each language.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I'm looking for a more-experienced/efficient developer  
>>>> is so
>>>> when
>>>> we're putting these videos together people from the represented
>>> discipline
>>>> won't feel like the language itself was misrepresented by a
>> particularly
>>>> slow or inexperienced programmer.
>>>>
>>>> For example I've got 4 years ColdFusion experience, so I write
>> ColdFusion
>>>> about 15x faster than maybe someone who's been at it for 6  
>>>> months. I'm
>>> not
>>>> really concerned with how much time you've been writing PHP so  
>>>> much as
>>> just
>>>> getting someone visibly good. Someone that other PHP developers  
>>>> would
>> see
>>>> in
>>>> these videos and go, "Yeah, that's about right" or "Nice! That  
>>>> guy's
>>> fast!"
>>>>
>>>> If anyone can help out on this or knows a PHP-er that'd be into  
>>>> it let
>> me
>>>> know. If you have particular frameworks ( MVC, ORM, what have you )
>> that
>>>> you
>>>> use in your development we can definitely explore including them  
>>>> in the
>>>> demos if it'll speed up your coding and make the PHP demos faster  
>>>> and
>>> more
>>>> impressive. I really want PHP to look good here, no ulterior  
>>>> motives.
>>>>
>>>> What I'm really worried about is recording these videos and having
>>>> ColdFusion look so much better than the other languages that it  
>>>> seems
>>>> staged
>>>> or exaggerated, so it's probably be a good idea for the person to  
>>>> use
>>>> what's
>>>> generally accepted as the best PHP IDE available (we'll have a  
>>>> computer
>>> set
>>>> up ready for all of this stuff that you can install anything to,  
>>>> even a
>>>> trial) and any PHP-specific best practices in the code they write.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who's interested please write back. Thanks!
>>>>
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